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		<title>Comment on Publisher Pagination by dan</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=22#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It turns out Oracle will be keeping ALUI around and using it for their collaboration platform</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It turns out Oracle will be keeping ALUI around and using it for their collaboration platform</p>
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		<title>Comment on My concerns with Social Networking by carlism</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=25#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>carlism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the crowd at barcampphilly were a lot of folk in the &quot;new media&quot; space. Design, photography, video, etc. They get work through Twitter. They build their &quot;brand&quot; on twitter and blogs. These people don&#039;t just put out whatever is on their minds.

It&#039;s wrong to say the general public has access to your thoughts. They only have access to the you you wish to portrait. The only problem I see with it is that most new users won&#039;t think of it that way until too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the crowd at barcampphilly were a lot of folk in the &#8220;new media&#8221; space. Design, photography, video, etc. They get work through Twitter. They build their &#8220;brand&#8221; on twitter and blogs. These people don&#8217;t just put out whatever is on their minds.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s wrong to say the general public has access to your thoughts. They only have access to the you you wish to portrait. The only problem I see with it is that most new users won&#8217;t think of it that way until too late.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My concerns with Social Networking by Joe Kampf</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=25#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Kampf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter can be a fire hose.  But you don&#039;t have to drink all the water.  Think of Twitter as a stack.  When you want to read twits, you can go down the stack as far as you have time or attention.

Twitter (or the other twitter like social applications) should not be viewed like IM, Phone calls or email.  They are broadcasts that you care or don&#039;t care get read.

As far as big brother is concerned, just like email, IM, etc.  You need to edit yourself and think about what you are putting out there.  

Now that I know you are turning off your IM and email, I&#039;ll make sure I call you when I need an answer from you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter can be a fire hose.  But you don&#8217;t have to drink all the water.  Think of Twitter as a stack.  When you want to read twits, you can go down the stack as far as you have time or attention.</p>
<p>Twitter (or the other twitter like social applications) should not be viewed like IM, Phone calls or email.  They are broadcasts that you care or don&#8217;t care get read.</p>
<p>As far as big brother is concerned, just like email, IM, etc.  You need to edit yourself and think about what you are putting out there.  </p>
<p>Now that I know you are turning off your IM and email, I&#8217;ll make sure I call you when I need an answer from you. <img src='http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Best tool for the job by Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=12#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my impression that the general run-of-the-mill wedding attendee isn&#039;t someone who is going to take 20 minutes to find the wiki, read it, or contribute to it.  Maybe my family is a bit on the &quot;technically challenged&quot; end of the scale, I&#039;m not sure.

My suggestion would be to gather as many e-mails as possible and start a Google or Yahoo group and invite them.  Add e-mail address to the information collected on RSVPs and invite them.  Most people by now can write and read e-mail and are much more comfortable doing so that editing a wiki.

Hope this helps,
Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my impression that the general run-of-the-mill wedding attendee isn&#8217;t someone who is going to take 20 minutes to find the wiki, read it, or contribute to it.  Maybe my family is a bit on the &#8220;technically challenged&#8221; end of the scale, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>My suggestion would be to gather as many e-mails as possible and start a Google or Yahoo group and invite them.  Add e-mail address to the information collected on RSVPs and invite them.  Most people by now can write and read e-mail and are much more comfortable doing so that editing a wiki.</p>
<p>Hope this helps,<br />
Carl</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where does the universe end? by Chris Bucchere</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=8#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bucchere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 05:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the shoutout! I&#039;m glad you enjoyed the conference and the social app. It was a pleasure to build and a total delight to see everyone use it so much. In fact, we had over 75,000 page views the week of the conference. More stats forthcoming on my blog....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the shoutout! I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed the conference and the social app. It was a pleasure to build and a total delight to see everyone use it so much. In fact, we had over 75,000 page views the week of the conference. More stats forthcoming on my blog&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving Sucks by MrGlass</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=6#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>MrGlass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try moving to California.  You simply won&#039;t be able to accumulate stuff in the small house you live in.  I always thought people from CA were minimalistic because of some higher ideology.  Now I know it&#039;s mainly routed in necessity.

Peas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try moving to California.  You simply won&#8217;t be able to accumulate stuff in the small house you live in.  I always thought people from CA were minimalistic because of some higher ideology.  Now I know it&#8217;s mainly routed in necessity.</p>
<p>Peas.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving Sucks by Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=6#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen your new house &amp; I have ALWAYS thought it was pretty nice even when I was peppering the mailbox with BBs from the family room window next door. Anyway, I hope you are able to fill it with a lot of nice crap. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen your new house &amp; I have ALWAYS thought it was pretty nice even when I was peppering the mailbox with BBs from the family room window next door. Anyway, I hope you are able to fill it with a lot of nice crap. <img src='http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Entitlements with Java by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyland.com/blog/?p=7#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the great feedback.  As I expected, it&#039;s not such an easy question to answer.  I am looking for a combination of security and display.  Maybe a combination of both since I would like to filter at the data layer, and have the presentation just handle it.  I hope you don&#039;t mind me recapping some emails I received.

&lt;quote&gt;It&#039;s actually not too difficult to create something like that from scratch (if you have some good developers and the time to spend).  I&#039;ve learned alot from working with Draagon that if I were to do it again, I&#039;d definitely make some different decisions (most notably create a better abstraction layer for UI framework integration so I could better incorporate things like Spring MVC, AJAX or JSF without having such a hard dependency on struts).&lt;/quote&gt;
Sadly, I don&#039;t have a ton of time or developers, but I agree this shouldn&#039;t be to hard to build.

&lt;quote&gt;The presentation tier has a notion of metadata aware views which can render collections of metadata using whatever underlying presentation framework we&#039;d like.  Right now, we have special views for struts/ajax/jsf, etc.  I&#039;d like to setup another layer of abstraction which allows us to set the UI framework globally rather than our current system which requires the developer to be aware of which UI framework is in use.&lt;/quote&gt;

This sounds interesting, and I&#039;d obviously like it to be driven by metadata, as I&#039;d like it to be very configurable, and to handle most display situations.

I&#039;ll keep you posted as I continue to ponder and develop the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the great feedback.  As I expected, it&#8217;s not such an easy question to answer.  I am looking for a combination of security and display.  Maybe a combination of both since I would like to filter at the data layer, and have the presentation just handle it.  I hope you don&#8217;t mind me recapping some emails I received.</p>
<p><quote>It&#8217;s actually not too difficult to create something like that from scratch (if you have some good developers and the time to spend).  I&#8217;ve learned alot from working with Draagon that if I were to do it again, I&#8217;d definitely make some different decisions (most notably create a better abstraction layer for UI framework integration so I could better incorporate things like Spring MVC, AJAX or JSF without having such a hard dependency on struts).</quote><br />
Sadly, I don&#8217;t have a ton of time or developers, but I agree this shouldn&#8217;t be to hard to build.</p>
<p><quote>The presentation tier has a notion of metadata aware views which can render collections of metadata using whatever underlying presentation framework we&#8217;d like.  Right now, we have special views for struts/ajax/jsf, etc.  I&#8217;d like to setup another layer of abstraction which allows us to set the UI framework globally rather than our current system which requires the developer to be aware of which UI framework is in use.</quote></p>
<p>This sounds interesting, and I&#8217;d obviously like it to be driven by metadata, as I&#8217;d like it to be very configurable, and to handle most display situations.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep you posted as I continue to ponder and develop the system.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entitlements with Java by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your answer is the Draagon Framework (http://www.draagon.com/).  I use it everyday (and helped write some of it).  It seems like it will solve your problem.  It&#039;s not free and/or open source though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your answer is the Draagon Framework (<a href="http://www.draagon.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.draagon.com/</a>).  I use it everyday (and helped write some of it).  It seems like it will solve your problem.  It&#8217;s not free and/or open source though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entitlements with Java by Carl Leiby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Leiby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your goal for display control or is it for security.  I think that decision could influence the solution.  The app I work on has this concept, but it&#039;s strictly for display control.  In other words, we simply hide the bits of the screen you&#039;re not supposed to see.  It&#039;s pretty simple for us to draw a hidden field or use css to hide things.  I suspect you want something a bit more secure though.

What I&#039;m not clear on is whether we&#039;re talking about data filtering, as in who can see what rows in a table, or data element filtering, who can see which columns in a table or fields on a screen.

So, take your typical webapp.  There&#039;s some table and a series of screens that let you do the CRUD operations.  Typically the update operation draws a screen wih all the data for the record and the primary key, usually hidden.  Then when submit occurs, all the fields are written back to the database WHERE the primary key matches.  It usually requires that you carry all the fields down to the page and back.  Unless you target your update directly at the columns that the user modified.  That&#039;s a bit of work.  I suppose you could try and keep track of the unseen data in a session state.

What I&#039;d really like is to have data elements that are from an OR tool that I could merge with a set of metadata that a web framework would understand how to present.  You could then have the metadata calculated based on user role.  Although there&#039;s still the issue of where the data flows.  Probably a lot to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your goal for display control or is it for security.  I think that decision could influence the solution.  The app I work on has this concept, but it&#8217;s strictly for display control.  In other words, we simply hide the bits of the screen you&#8217;re not supposed to see.  It&#8217;s pretty simple for us to draw a hidden field or use css to hide things.  I suspect you want something a bit more secure though.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m not clear on is whether we&#8217;re talking about data filtering, as in who can see what rows in a table, or data element filtering, who can see which columns in a table or fields on a screen.</p>
<p>So, take your typical webapp.  There&#8217;s some table and a series of screens that let you do the CRUD operations.  Typically the update operation draws a screen wih all the data for the record and the primary key, usually hidden.  Then when submit occurs, all the fields are written back to the database WHERE the primary key matches.  It usually requires that you carry all the fields down to the page and back.  Unless you target your update directly at the columns that the user modified.  That&#8217;s a bit of work.  I suppose you could try and keep track of the unseen data in a session state.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d really like is to have data elements that are from an OR tool that I could merge with a set of metadata that a web framework would understand how to present.  You could then have the metadata calculated based on user role.  Although there&#8217;s still the issue of where the data flows.  Probably a lot to ask.</p>
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